Change: Beyond Traditional Strategies

Change: Beyond Traditional Strategies

Season 2, Episode 3

Host(s): Dr. Larry Force, Andrew O’Grady, Elisa Gwilliam

Guest(s): Dr. Charles Flores: licensed and nationally certified psychotherapist and CEO of Vital Puma INtegral Recovery based in Oakland, California

Dr. Charles Flores (PhD, LPCC, LAADC-S, MAC, CCMHC, NCC, NCTTP, Q-SAP) joins the INTERSECTIONS Exchange team to share his expertise in the addiction and psychology fields and discuss recovery strategies. Dr. Flores discusses the barriers to effective recovery in modern life as well as promising novel interventions for addiction using psychedelic medications.

Topics Discussed

  • Dr. Flores’ academic and professional journey into the addiction field
  • Introduction to transpersonal psychology
  • Comparisons of public and private psychological practice
  • The potential role of spirituality and a higher power in recovery
  • Innovative uses of psychedelics in addiction treatment
  • Discussion of co-addictions
  • Social media and addiction


Key Quote(s)

  • “The addiction that is going on with people who have more money is not seen, it’s made invisible and it’s made to seem like it’s only people who are poor or BIPOC who are affected.” – Dr. Charles Flores
  • “Sometimes in the mental health delivery service, people of means are the most isolated because they’re not going to therapy for a variety of reasons. Even police officers don’t want a trail of insurance and neglect to seek treatment.” – Dr. Larry Force
  • “We really need to individualize treatment in this country…you’re either in this silo or that silo and then the treatment is the same for everybody…we want people to see that there’s more available than just that model.” – Andrew O’Grady


INTERSECTIONS is an innovative, peer delivered, modular self-care program developed by the National Organization of Adult Addictions and Recovery (NOAAR) and Mental Health America of Dutchess County.

Addiction, chronic illness, and mental health are dimensions in our lives that isolate us. They isolate us from ourselves, from others, and from our spirit. INTERSECTIONS helps us connect and reconnect to reach our full potential.

INTERSECTIONS promotes the reduction of reoccurrence, improved maintenance of recovery plans, and success within family systems and the community.

Modules include:

  • Orientation
  • Meditation
  • Movement
  • Nutrition
  • Mindfulness
  • Personal Visions and Goals
  • Spirituality

INTERSECTIONS is based on a theoretical orientation called The Theory of Dimensionality and is rooted in a Practice-Based Intervention, Dimensional Solution Based Treatment (DSBT).

“We cannot fix you because you are not broken … everybody has stuff. We are all in Recovery from something.”

About MHA Dutchess County

Mental Health America of Dutchess County is a nonprofit organization dedicated to making sure nobody gets left behind in our community due to lack of mental health services. Our staff and volunteers work day and night to:

  • Strengthen families
  • Overcome fear
  • Help people dealing with anxiety
  • Link individuals to the supports they need
  • Provide safe spaces to heal
  • Break down stigma
  • …and much, much more.